New Vendor application. Industry vendors can now join InterNACHI.

[sstanczyk (Stephen Stanczyk, WA License #221)]

@bboerner

So is what Steve said the same conclusion the ESOP made?

Billy, I was on the Ethics Committee for this debacle. That is the ruling of the Ethics Committee.

Since inception of the organization, Nick has followed the recommendations of the Ethics Committee in regards to suspensions, expulsions or other punishments.

In this instance, he decided to not follow the recommendation under some bogus reason that only he can understand, and has instead decided to blow smoke up everyone’s collective butts by dancing around the issue time after time.

NACHI and the collective membership that proclaim their standards and ethics, were dealt a serious blow to their credibility by becoming an organization that does not uphold their Code of Ethics and the recommendations of the Committee overseeing said written Code of Ethics.

SHAME.

[bboerner (Billy Boerner, CMI, InterNACHI, IAC2)]

@rhensel

The decision stands he is guilty…

The PENALTY recommended was not imposed. Kinda like a court room, he is found guilty and the judge decides the penalty.

Your only gonna make 1/2 the people happy no matter what. So why not make the people who use Nathans products happy? The ones who DONT use his products are not affected in ANY way, they are NOT USING HIS PRODUCTS.

So why boot him? Because he said bad things about people? OMG…read the board, Nick would have 2 members if he booted everyone for name calling and unprofessional comments (my self included).

Or because of his email telling people that performing a recall check is better than not performing one. How this is even close to debatable is beyond me. Is checking the AC better than not checking the AC? Is having a home inspection better than not having a home inspection? My God it just gets crazier and crazier in here

Couldn’t agree more.

[bboerner (Billy Boerner, CMI, InterNACHI, IAC2)]

@sstanczyk

Billy, I was on the Ethics Committee for this debacle. That is the ruling of the Ethics Committee.

Since inception of the organization, Nick has followed the recommendations of the Ethics Committee in regards to suspensions, expulsions or other punishments.

In this instance, he decided to not follow the recommendation under some bogus reason that only he can understand, and has instead decided to blow smoke up everyone’s collective butts by dancing around the issue time after time.

NACHI and the collective membership that proclaim their standards and ethics, were dealt a serious blow to their credibility by becoming an organization that does not uphold their Code of Ethics and the recommendations of the Committee overseeing said written Code of Ethics.

SHAME.

From what I’ve read I would of done what Nick did. I guess I just need to see the 8 charges to understand what everyone got so worked up about.

[ccurrins (Christopher Currins, CMI)]

@jkeilson

Anyway Nick I just really want to know what the point is for this new vendor section? and what benefits (if any) are there for the non vendors (good ole regular Home Inspectors).

I’d liked to know the reasoning behind a “Vendor” Application and a “Vendor” COE also.

Almost 100 post and that hasn’t been explained yet.

[jkeilson (James Keilson, CMI, Certified Master Inspector)]

@ccurrins

I’d liked to know the reasoning behind a “Vendor” Application and a “Vendor” COE also.

Almost 100 post and that hasn’t been explained yet.

I’m actually being quite sincere. With all the spin in every one’s answers and ambiguity, maybe I missed something, but I don’t see what is actually changing for the better? if anything.

Jim

[rhensel (Russell Hensel)]

100 posts and people are still whining. What is arguing, beating it over and over going to do? Do you really think for one second Nick will of a sudden say " damnit you guys are right he is suspended"? Really?

So if complaining, bringing it up time and again, is not going to change the result then why keep harping on it? But you know what is awesome to see the 9,999 other times I disagreed with Nick and you guys told me to shut up and if I didn’t like it leave…well, now what do you have to say?

And when you say the “membership” please address only the ones that it pertains to. I know many of member who are not offended by Nicks decision. So please do not speak for me.

[ccurrins (Christopher Currins, CMI)]

@rhensel

100 posts and people are still whining. What is arguing, beating it over and over going to do? Do you really think for one second Nick will of a sudden say " damnit you guys are right he is suspended"? Really?

So if complaining, bringing it up time and again, is not going to change the result then why keep harping on it? But you know what is awesome to see the 9,999 other times I disagreed with Nick and you guys told me to shut up and if I didn’t like it leave…well, now what do you have to say?

And when you say the “membership” please address only the ones that it pertains to. I know many of member who are not offended by Nicks decision. So please do not speak for me.

You seem to be the one whining. James and I asked a very simple question.

What is the purpose and/or reasoning of adding a vendor application and code of ethics?

You can call it what you want. As a longtime member I feel it’s a legitimate question.

[rhensel (Russell Hensel)]

@ccurrins

You seem to be the one whining. James and I asked a very simple question.

What is the purpose and/or reasoning of adding a vendor application and code of ethics?

You can call it what you want. As a longtime member I feel it’s a legitimate question.

I will answer for Nick and its 3 simple words

“Because I can”.

He can do as he sees fit. I personally think he is doing any of this more or less, is to shove a pacifier down your mouths…but that’s just my thoughts.

[ccurrins (Christopher Currins, CMI)]

@rhensel

I will answer for Nick and its 3 simple words

"Because I can.

Well that answer I’ll accept; no rhyme or reason.

[rhensel (Russell Hensel)]

Chris your a great guy and I have a Ton of respect for you. But you have been around long enough to know how things work.

Simply put they work any way Nick wants them to.

It will never ever change.

[jburkeson1 (Joseph Burkeson, CMI)]

***God will not be appeased until we throw a vendor into the volcano. I know of no other ***
***way to settle the disputes and find peace. ***

[ldapkus1]

Throw the bum out.

[tpappas (Troy N. Pappas)]

@ldapkus1

Throw the bum out.

Some of us like having you around though bud

[ldapkus1]

@tpappas

Some of us like having you around though bud

I’ll drink to that. Cheers!!!

[ccurrins (Christopher Currins, CMI)]

You just can’t resist can you. 30 days my >>>

[sstanczyk (Stephen Stanczyk, WA License #221)]

@nthornberry

Well, I guess we know which side of things you were on…the INCORRECT side! And you know it was far from unanimous.

You don’t know the rulings, you don’t know the vote, you don’t know what you are talking about.

No ethics codes were broken so far as I can tell, I don’t even know what the 8 complaints were nor was I ever sought information from anyone on the committee and I would have thought they had enough common sense to follow the rules of this organization and let it go but you have to go to the court of public opinion and CONGRATulaTIONS…the same half a dozen losers still hate me.

Shame.

You know you are within your rights to leave, correct?

In case you hadn’t heard, the grown ups got together and had a little phone conference. It’s resolved.

Now go back to bashing me for “unknown reasons”. You might consider Russell’s question- “How does this affect your income?”

Once again, this has nothing to do with Nathan Thornberry. It didn’t matter it was you or someone else. It has to do with a 180 degree change in the way things have been done since the inception of this organization.

No where have I “bashed” you. Maybe you consider being called a “vendor” , bashing. I don’t. My issue is with the unilateral change that Nick decided to make, that affects the members. But a lot of people can’t get past having an individual, any individual, in the equation.

As for Russell’s question. Nobody knows yet. Besides, what does income have to do with anything? We are talking Ethics. Nothing more. Nobody in this organization can make good claims about the Ethics of this organization. They don’t matter anymore. They have been tainted and thus the organization has been tainted as well. If, or more likely when, information starts to trickle out to the other organizations or Realtors or the public that the NACHI COE no longer has any validity in our own home, why would they trust someone that has the NACHI information spread all over their website?

Once again. It is not about you. Only your ego keeps that scenario alive.

[rhensel (Russell Hensel)]

What does it matter if it affects you or not? Isn’t that the basis of the complaint that it is detrimental to the inspector and harming?

Nathan did not see the complaints? He did not respond? Were any of the complaints vailidated? I had a complaint against me that was totally untrue, baseless and never once verified.

So you have a trial and the person. entity, vendor on trial does not get the means to respond? Seriously?

Right there, I think is a HUGE flaw.

Now lets take it a step further, please tell me EXACTLY what a non-profit organization can and cannot do as far as limiting the access of people, vendors, entities. If you kick ANYONE out, is it legal? Although Nick runs the place the Federal Goverment has very specific steps on operating a Non profit organization.

I once spoke out of class here and I was wrong. I do not know all the legalities of a Non profit organization and who and what can and can’t be allowed.

Maybe that was the basis of the decision Nick made. If word got out, that he can’t really kick a person out legally, then all hell would break loose and the COE would be pointless and useless. Hell, I don’t know. I am just guess and pulling things out of thin air.

But when was the last time you thought of, implamented, financed, legalized, staffed an organization with over 15,000 members world wide? My guess is you haven’t, and someone here has. Sometimes your the bug, sometimes your the windshield.

You knew the chain of command going into this. There is Nick and then there is well…Nick. Thats NACHI life…been that way since day one and I don’t see a big change happening on the horizon

[ldapkus1]

@nthornberry

Well, I guess we know which side of things you were on…the INCORRECT side! And you know it was far from unanimous.

No ethics codes were broken so far as I can tell, I don’t even know what the 8 complaints were nor was I ever sought information from anyone on the committee and I would have thought they had enough common sense to follow the rules of this organization and let it go but you have to go to the court of public opinion and CONGRATulaTIONS…the same half a dozen losers still hate me.

Shame.

You know you are within your rights to leave, correct?

In case you hadn’t heard, the grown ups got together and had a little phone conference. It’s resolved.

Now go back to bashing me for “unknown reasons”. You might consider Russell’s question- “How does this affect your income?”

I don’t hate you Nat. I just don’t want to be one of your salesmen, that’s all.

[lkage (Larry Kage, CMI)]

@nthornberry

Well, I guess we know which side of things you were on…the INCORRECT side! And you know it was far from unanimous.

No ethics codes were broken so far as I can tell, I don’t even know what the 8 complaints were nor was I ever sought information from anyone on the committee and I would have thought they had enough common sense to follow the rules of this organization and let it go but you have to go to the court of public opinion and CONGRATulaTIONS…the same half a dozen losers still hate me.

Shame.

You know you are within your rights to leave, correct?

In case you hadn’t heard, the grown ups got together and had a little phone conference. It’s resolved.

Now go back to bashing me for “unknown reasons”. You might consider Russell’s question- “How does this affect your income?”

…the value of a man’s word…promises…30 days.