"IMHO, this is unnacceptable. Consumers need some assurance that the HI they choose has some minimum level (hopefully quite high) of training and competence."
Brian, don’t you just hate it when your own words come back to haunt you? You want licensing. You want assurance of standardized qualification. You want licensing to provide that assurance. You want licensing to assure a “quite high” level of training and competence. That means that you don’t trust Inspectors to improve themselves without being licensed. Read what you wrote. ( or at least let us take our ‘Gravol’ before you start to spin it again)
"How is another voluntary organization (ACHI) going to accomplish this in a short period of time?"
Who, other than you, said that this was going to be accomplished in a “short time”? It’s taken almost 15 years for your friends to screw up this industry with lies and unsubstantiated claims. Why would you expect that the solution to the problem will take a “short time period” to accomplish? Or are you setting the bar so low that nobody can get the job done in what you in your humble opinion is an accetable amount of time?
Licencing is required as I have always maintained in order to clear up the persistent crap that keeps showing its face with the governance of the various associations which consistently show that they are unwilling, nor wanting to stop the conflicts of interest. I.e. Association which openly have directors/presidents owning inspector mills or inspection supply company’s amongst other conflicting positions.
We don’t need home inspectors licenced we need the management licenced to ensure special interests do not control our collective destiny to their sole benefit.
*This my opinion necessitates the need for the Provincial Government to licence home inspectors to ensure public confidence in the inspection profession, to ensure all home inspectors meet a minimum standard and that governance of home inspectors should not be a self regulating one over seen by other inspectors.
***The profession is swamped with inspectors who graduate from 2 week home inspection courses, this unfortunately does not ensure quality. There is no legislation in Ontario that requires licensing or any form of registration. ***
Looking for an inspector who has graduated from a recognized college with a Certificate in Home Inspection is a good choice in your research.*
George
Brian MacN. reminds me of a baby or a young child.
I want, I want, I want, I want.
A he loves his blanket too. ( blanket statements !!! )
Suck your thumb to Big guy.
Come see Robbie, I will make it all better.
HA HA HA HA
"I hate to say this but some day you’re come to regret what your saying."
When all else fails they always resort to threats. It’s like clock work.
"Just like you, when I started in this business I got influenced by the naysayers but with time you get more knowledgeable and wiser."
And you would be displaying those effects when . . . . ? I’ve got some bad news for you Marcel. You are still influenced by the ‘naysayers’. They have called us all incompetents without any proof. They have built their entire national programme built on a lie. Put down the Kool aide and walk quickly away.
One of the many interesting quirks to be found among those who advocate licensing is this:
Licensing is needed to protect the consumer…from my competitor. Not me.
Never in the history of manipulating others to accept their line of BS has anyone ever offered how having a license will make them…personally…a better home inspector than they presently are. Nor have they offered how today, without a license, in what manner they are deficient.
It is always the “other guy” that needs to be controlled.
That was not its intent.
The intent of my statement is to show that blanket statements cause more harm and confusion than they do good.
So as for professionalism, you have to have PROOF too the statements you make. Acting as proof.
Numbers.
It acts as evidence to show that your efforts are genuine and not facetiously made.
All must be transparent.
So again numbers please. Give us the numbers to act as proof.
Why Licensing and regulation ?
I act this way to show the total madness ( in my opinion ) of a human being, totally with blinders on.
One way thinking and not open to a process that can be measured for substance and merit.
I do excuse myself, for I do get emotional involved and not meaning to offend. TRULY BUT.
The actions and rants by me can be interpreted as " what are you talking about ?" and is the same as I view from his blanket statements.
EVERY CONSTRUCTION WORKER AND SWEEP WILL COME RUNNING? Slanderous and bigoted ( with out proof )
I agree on a minimum standard.
Ideas are the same. A set minimum standard.
The process has to be totally transparent, to have any validaty in my eyes.( and others )
Plus a grandfather period has to be thought out before and true NEW PROCESS OF GRADING can come forward.
I did not mean to offend.
Marcel
I will not regret what I say. I already regret the education I lost, and am striving for and better platform to speck upon. ( I am learning )
I need no one ramming innuendo down my throat, built on factious numbers.
I to am thinking in a positive direction for home inspection, and a greater good of the consumer.
That is way I came into this business.
I have heard no positive affects from regulation or licensing but the opposite Marcel.
Look to BC for example. The old excuse now in BC is, “we are trying to make it better.” Are you kidding me?
Putting the cart before the horse. NO?
So , I see lobbing by educators saying as Mr.Bushart so eloquently put it.
" Licensing is needed to protect the consumer…from my competitor. Not me."
Give my intelligence a break please.
Do I see a need for a minimum standard in certification and education.
YES !!!
Again everything is in place.
All the educators are all ready up and running.
Study there value and use them as the means of standard to set the how high or how low that bar must reach.
After if the province wants- have them use that minimum stand and give that test. Now you have you needs fulfilled and being non-bias.
As a driving test is given so can a HI test be given. The province or in and Canada wide.
Simple to me.
Look I know its simple but its a thought that’s all.
Everything is in place but the will to act.
Robert’s wish list mirrors what the National Certification Program is all about. It has a minimum level of standard and education, governed by the National Occupational Standards (NOS) and the NCP Model.
Educators have become familiar with the NOS and most have modelled their curriculum around the NOS.
Testing is already built into the NCP in the TIPR and the NHICC National Examination.
Marcel G.
Please excuse my manner.
I am 41 years out of the formal educational system. Polishing my language skills and in need of patients.
Construction trained ( 34 years ) and old habits die hard. I will end them them shortly.
I thank you for your kind offer.
I will take you up shortly. Family maters comes first.
George I did not take Marcel G. wording as threats when properly tough-out. At first it caught me off guard wondering’
No man not that whistle-blower affect again that stung me months back, or am I going to be chastised for being honest in my opinion by Brian MacN.or others because he or they hold a slight powers and can influence decisions makers.
Yes it did cross my mind BUT, I am what I am.
I came back quickly after thinking all the above and knowing Marcel ( I think ) and answered honestly and truly.
Marcel. He has been genuinely open handed to me. Offering me assistance at a number of ocations to call him if I need help.
Not many have stepped up to that plate, George…
I think he is in this for ALL THE RIGHT REASONS.
As you I, and everyone else is ( the UN-bias thinkers ), to aid the consumer and help set that minimum standard question answered once and for all.
It only helps the industry.
I do not judge anyone wanting to be CAHPI, ASHI, INCHI, the Natioal.
Its the means and the intentions of the exercise that I question.
Whom will profit from this .
Inspectors, I highly doubt it. Consumers , yea right.
They forget this regulation and licensing has to have policing.
The right questions are not being asked.
What about the AGENTS ROLL? Biggest part of the problem ( to me.) Saw it effects again in, with my last inspection. I will post it out there as soon as I put all the pieces in place. ( proof.)
Dam smoke, mirrors, money aimed lobbying, right questions not being asked, not at arms length in the decision making. WOW is me.
Brian.
I have excused myself in several posts.
I made the explanation clear.
I am using this post to redirect others to the statements I made.
It was a fabrication.
Aimed to show your blanket statement effects.:twisted:
"You are calling yourself incompetents and trying to say we did…"
OK. Marcel, have you not been paying attention again? There is more to debating than making silly reversals like that. Your compatriots have called the entire industry and every inspector in it ‘incompetent’, ‘dangerous’ and ‘cowboys’ amongst other less palatable things. They have made these claims without any proof. They are unable to develop a reliable failure rate for the industry because they have been unable to answer ( wait for it ) the “BIG3”
HOW MANY INSPECTORS ARE THERE IN CANADA? HOW MANY INSPECTIONS ARE COMPLETED IN ONE YEAR? HOW MANY OF THOSE INSPECTIONS GENERATE MINOR / MAJOR CLIENT COMPLAINT?
The ALLIANCE of CANADIAN HOME INSPECTORS feels , unlike other associations who tell inspectors that they are not good enough and must jump through a lot of hoops to satisfy some arbitrary rules and regulations put in place by the self appointed, that every Inspector can be good enough and with encouragement and help can make himself better. Far from calling every inspector incompetent, we are making history in our industry by telling every inspector that they have a FAIR chance at being accepted and a real opportunity at becoming better.
That appeared to be a simple power struggle not conflicts of interest, as claimed by some, between powers that be and the services they may require/offer/dictate to the organization or the HI field such as training, litigation/arbitration services, etc.
BTW, the org still exists and meets BC requirements…maybe just a hiccup!
When I pay a mechanic $60 to $100 per hour I want to make sure they are licensed, accredited, up to date in their field. A uniform licensing scheme for certified trades within each province (plus the cross-Canada Red Seal Program) does that.
With a mish-mash of HI organizations, some with little to no oversight that can be confirmed, some offering training/others not, all claiming to the the “real one”, where does a consumer turn to get unbiased information? It’s time to rein it all in with a** good** set of government regulations that will do that more quickly than trying to get associations and others involved to agree to anything.
opinion is an accetable amount of time?
) the “BIG3”