KEWL!!
Everyone knows it will take at least an additional $100 for the proctored exam, $335 to the State for application and another $287 for insurance - or there abouts. So that 8 year old better start selling some cookies – i’m just saying.
Russell, a 501©6 doesn’t jeopardize its status by doing deals with for-profit companies. For example, the NFL is a 501©6.
So how does it break down? How much of the $150 paid for each inspection by the state will actually go to the inspector…excuse me, I mean contractor?
Citizens pays $125 not $150. The goal is to get INSPECTORS to be able to do them. The price points have not been figured, it is too early to say. This is in the first stages.
Jim, here is what I know for sure: Michael Rowan’s company gets $15. The rest goes to NACHI Management and the inspector. InterNACHI gets $0. InterNACHI was offered a cut, but just as InterNACHI does with every deal, InterNACHI asked that its cut be given to the participating InterNACHI members. I believe Dennis can confirm this.
I never said it did. But there are certain things you can and cannot do. But a 501©6 cannot be a for profit company. Nick there are several violations that I see already. But who really cares. You do provide a good educational service to the industry I call Home. You are a great marketeer. But you have no morals when it comes to flooding our industry with any idiot that walks off the street with a few bucks. That has an always will be my complaint. Hey, Nick it is legal to marry your sister in West Virginia. Just because things are legal does not make them right, smart or moral. You can behind the “legal” side all you want. Once again, legal doesn’t make it right.
Its not about me having a licensed and trying to keep others from Joining. Its about ME and those like me, BUILDING a PROFESSION, treating it like profession, getting paid like a PROFESSIONAL. Not having idiots join the ranks and think they are “Inspectors” but having three shots to pass an exam because its LEGAL. I am almost positive the intent of “grandfathering” is to have a way that THOSE PRESENTLY in the profession have a way to get a license. I could be wrong…but thats the way I see it.
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-tege/eotopick03.pdf Actually an interesting read…Nice to know how things are intended to run…Haven’t gotten through it yet…but once again, interesting.
So if Michael Rowan gets a cut from each one, then he can be held liable?
Russell, why do you continue to post unspecific insinuations about things like Zoe’s husband and our non-profit status? If you say “interesting” (as if you found some dirt) one more time I’m going to puke. Keep quiet until you are willing to make a specific charge that details where you think we are violating our non-profit status.
P.S. As far as I know, the only person who had to take the exam twice to pass was a Florida licensed General Contractor, so you can quit making that insinuation too.
Actually I wasn’t even talking about Zoe’s husband. I was talking about YOU and INTERNACHI…I know I read on the IRS website that you are allowed to talk about how to make the industry better, but are NOT ALLOWED to couch people on how to make their company better. I will find it again…then I will paste it…
Great one only person had to take it twice! Its that Freakin EASY…way to brag!
Wrong again Russell… 60% fail our unproctored exam: InterNACHI® Online Inspector Examination (link takes a couple minutes to open as it is compiled in live time.
The reason all our members pass the proctored version is because they are already in the 40% who passed it unproctored. They’re just passing it again in a proctored setting.
Russell incorrectly claims:
Wrong, here is your quote:
Russell announces that he will soon “paste” some total nonsense:
I’ll bet you can’t and so won’t.
As far as FLORIDA NACHI…You OWN esop Person has siad that was illegal TWICE…you just don’t listen to him…I guess no one does. So its not an IRS thing…Its a NACHI thing your breaking…I will find and copy and paste…READ it slow because you seem to just skim over the part they CANNOT HAVE A PROCTORED TEST TO BECOME A MEMBER…
FL NACHI what have you done for me lately…Post #43
Since my name was mentioned, I will chime in, and will state to anyone operating any chapter, charter, or organization anywhere that includes the letters NACHI…
Once you are a member of this organization, you are a member of this organization. That means that any chapter that exists which carries the word NACHI automatically meets the qualifications of that particular chapter. No further testing or qualifications are required. No additional SOP applies. No differing COE.
And, yes, the NATIONAL may revoke a chapters right (whether chartered or not) to use the word NACHI.
I dont particularly care what is going on in Florida, just so everyone knows that the COE requires that member inspectors follow the InterNACHI COE. If this requires one to be licensed in order to inspect, you can have membership revoked if you break the law.
**If you meet the qualifications for licensing, the local chapter cannot require an additional test for membership. If you meet the qualifications for membership in NACHI, then you AUTOMATICALLY meet the requirements for membership in FL NACHI. All it means is that you cannot legally inspect until you meet the STATE’s requirements for PERFORMING an inspection.
**Greg, you havent called me the Enforcer in quite a while, but your recollection of our conversation is accurate.
My message today is consistent with that original message.
While the chapter organizers and administration are free to run the chapter as they see fit, they must also remember that InterNACHI and NACHI are copyrighted entities, owned by the NATIONAL. As such the NATIONAL sets the tone and rules its use.
Ther is but one set of standards for inclusion in this org. There is but one COE. There is but one SOP.
While our COE allows a person to substantially comply with our SOP, it also requires one performing inspections to comply with their State’s requirements. If there is more than one way to achieve licensure in FLorida, all an inspector needs to do to be a member inspector in FL NACHI is meet those requirements. IF they are a member of NACHI, and do not inspect in Florida, the generic membership requirements apply.
ANyone who would like to discuss this with me can reach me at 303-591-9919.
This is all true. Nick offered 100% full support and declined any compensation. He wants his cut going towards making the deal sweeter for members. The fees have not been finalized. Internachi inspectors will get a better deal than nonmembers, thats for sure. We are not trying to be Pimps. With the resources of Internachi and our numbers in Florida, there is no reason for us not to be a Force to be reckoned with. It is our goal to get Nachi Home Inspectors Approved for Re-inspections, get paid above average for their services, and become a Preferred vendor in the state.
That is not from the IRS. Russell, you said:
Waiting.
OOOOO Here it is on the IRS website…I will highlight it for you…and give you the link
Performing Particular Services - Business League (Internal Revenue Code Section 501©(6))
An organization’s performance of particular services for its members or others is not an exempt activity under Code section 501©(6). Although such activities do not alone preclude exemption, an organization engaged primarily in performing particular services is not exempt under section 501©(6).
Examples:
- Advertising that carries the names of members may be performing particular services; but promoting the business of an industry by encouraging the use of its products is not.
- Furnishing particular information and specialized individual services to members through publishing and other means to effect economies in business operations may be performing particular services; but educating members on how to improve their business results is not.
- Operating a multiple listing service for members of a real estate involves performing particular services.
- Operating parking lots for members’ customers may be performing particular services, but providing parking as part of a plan to promote patronage of businesses in an area may not be.
- Providing insurance coverage often involves performing particular services. Similarly, negotiating discounted healthcare or similar services for members and/or nonmembers and providing related services may be performing particular services.
http://www.irs.gov/charities/nonprofits/article/0,,id=169494,00.html
Read it for yourself stud muffin…
Stop waiting…
Now what are you waiting for?
LOL! You read it backwards! I don’t blame you, it could have been written better. The “not” in your highlighted sentence isn’t referring to “not exempt” but rather “not performing particular services” which is not an exempt activity.
If that isn’t enough to prove FL NACHI is not legal according to our SOP…I will let JOE FARSETTA say it again as he has in post #49 of the same thread
Hey Bill,
I dont know about you, but I do not waste my time reading and responding to messages on this board. When I see it, if it involves me, I chime in. Those who want my intervention either call me or e-mail me.
I am not stating that if one belongs to InterNACHI, they automatically belong to FL NACHI.
**I am saying that FL NACHI may not have additional requirements for membership. Dues are allowed. Double standards are not. FL NACHI is not a national home inspection organization. It is a chapter of one which does not require a proctored exam for membership. NACHI recognizes that some states require a proctored exam to get an inspection license. That requirement is not a membership requirement for this org. Our org only requires you pass its exam for membership. If there is an ADDITIONAL requirement placed by the state in order for one to get a license, then the COE states that you must follow state law. IF that law requires one to pass the NHIE to inspect, then NACHI’s COE includes the NHIE by reference.
**There is no double talk here.
It is black and white.
As to the enforceability of those rules that were mentioned as a condition of membership, ESOP does not enforce them unless and until there is a specific complaint. It has to be that way as we are not privy to these databases en masse; only on an as needed basis.
There is nothing in the regulations that prohibits those who hafve not passed the proctored exam from being a member of the chapter. The law prohibits unlicensed inspections. The law does not prohibit membership.
The chapter is not meant to exclude those who did not use it to achieve licensing via its proctored exam.
Clear enoough?
There needs to be consistencies. Imagine a NACHI chapter that required members carry E&O, and a founding member of the chapter happened to sell E&O. Or imagine a NACHI chapter requiring members that only drove Jeeps, or had to be owners of cocker spaniels, or had to be christians, or whatever.
I think I am reading it properly…